Re: Naked Bible 103: Moses and the Bronze Serpent
I’m a little irritated by this podcast; the reason will seem obscure to some folks. Bear with me.
Lots of believers today appear to find the fiery serpent narrative in Numbers 21 disconcerting. He wastes the first third of the hour-long discussion on something that was totally unnecessary. He attacks the notion that Moses produced Genesis as a way of suggesting that the people of Israel weren’t aware of any part of Genesis. In doing so, he comes dangerously close to the Straw Man fallacy.
Heiser confuses conservative biblical scholarship with fundamentalism. Let’s be clear: I’ve been a fundamentalist and I’m still somewhat conservative, and there’s a huge difference between the two. Heiser describes a position that is closer to fundamentalism than the conservative scholarship I still tend to agree with. His primary purpose is to assert that the nation of Israel was likely ignorant of the material in Genesis, particularly chapter 3. I’m not sure why he reads a modern western confusion back into the Nation of Israel.
I’m often just a little saddened that Heiser doesn’t give credit to people like Moses, whom I assume would be just as clear-headed and scholarly as people like Heiser, and maybe more so. Heiser builds an argument that doesn’t hold water. He talks about how we today look back with the knowledge of Genesis 3 in our heads about the Serpent in the Garden when we come to Numbers 21 and the Bronze Serpent. To be honest, among the thousands of church folks I’ve known, not one of them suffered the confusion he seems to think is so common today. Then he proceeds to insist that the people of Israel weren’t likely to know that story.
He doubts that Moses would have had access to the material in Genesis. He has no problem with the likelihood of some kind of oral lore, but he would exclude Genesis 3 in particular. This becomes a poor excuse for choosing to believe that Genesis was written in Babylon during the Exile, that Moses didn’t compose it. He adds that there is no hint of the very recent Egyptian experience in the writing of Genesis. Does he imagine Moses was unable to distinguish between his early education in Egypt versus his later education in the home of Jethro? Jethro’s religion was distinctly Mesopotamian and he was a descendant of Abraham.
I don’t have trouble with the idea that Genesis was edited later; I’m quite certain we do not have what Moses originally produced. However, I believe Moses was responsible for the substance of the narrative. At least a part of what happened on the mountain with God over the forty days was to help Moses sort out his oral background from both Egypt and Babylon. For that matter, I am fully convinced Moses was a scholar whose intellect was at least on par with anyone living since then (except Solomon). It is silly to raise doubts about Mosaic authorship in the first place to explain how people are confused today. This is needless background discussion that serves little purpose, and in the end he waffles after ripping into conservatives.
I never had trouble with Jesus’ use of the Bronze Serpent narrative as a symbol of His crucifixion. I agree lots of ordinary church folks choke on that, but my explanation has not changed in a couple of decades. We should not see the image of serpents as unmitigated evil; the idea of using an image of a serpent in healing snake bites and warding off snakes (and other evil) was common across the ANE. That had nothing to do with what Jesus said.
Further, that God would command Moses to use what skeptics call “sympathetic magic” (using symbols of the thing you want or want to avoid) is poorly addressed in this podcast. Yes, it sounds like he comes out on a good side, asserting that if God commands it, your faith and obedience makes it work. I’ve known for most of my life that we don’t need to explain how it worked. I agree such practices would have been familiar to the Israelites and anyone else in the ANE. But he makes it sound like God is falling back on something merely cultural to get people to follow Him, as if God Himself was humoring them in their ignorance. I find that rather insulting to God and His revelation.
Jesus didn’t command the sea to calm down simply because His disciples were used to such an idea. Indeed, they were stunned. No, it’s because it touches on something fundamental to the nature of reality itself. Heiser would never understand that because he remained an essentially western man with western assumptions about reality. He didn’t embrace the Hebrew outlook he seems to have understood. But the Hebrew understanding of reality is all the more true in Jesus’ teaching about how the Bronze Serpent is symbolic of His final act as a human.
Having a better, more elite western viewpoint doesn’t solve the problem of ignorance about the Bible. It wasn’t merely a question of throwing Genesis 3 into a blender with Numbers 21 and making a mess. It’s not that hard to understand if you take the time to explain it to church folks. Hezekiah destroyed the Bronze Serpent because his people were confused about the symbolism for an entirely different reason. We need to take action about the source of confusion that our own people have.
The rather prolonged ending of the podcast is relating some of the goofy notions about the meaning of Melchizedek and the symbolism of Jerusalem as the center of the world. We should hardly be surprised when secular minded people get that stuff wrong. We should also be disappointed when someone like Heiser rejected ancient wisdom.

The Great Swap
Re: Naked Bible 102: What does “All Israel will be saved” Mean?
Church folks who ignore the Second Temple literature, particularly how it interprets the OT, will build a theology that is utterly rootless and alien to the New Testament. Thus, we end up with all kinds of competing nonsensical theories about what passages like Romans 11:25-27 mean:
Paul quotes from Isaiah and Jeremiah here. Heiser takes from a couple of outside sources a list of four common views of this passage and the meaning of “all Israel”. The problem is that Heiser’s explanation takes too many liberties interpreting this source material. You can read those sources and get a different idea than what Heiser offers in his summary. But we don’t need to examine the counterfeits, just make sure we understand the approach taken in Second Temple literature based on the Old Testament.
(Heiser quotes from another source no longer easy to find — Jason Staples in the Journal of Biblical Literature — but I’ll share the copy I chased down with anyone who asks for it.)
There is a distinct link between Paul’s mention of the “fullness of the Gentiles” and “all Israel”. You cannot get one without understanding the other. Part of the problem is the general lack of precision in the term “Israel” among theologians and church leadership.
Even in the common vernacular of today people have noticed an intentional ambiguity with the word “Jew”. Is it a religion or an ethnic identity? Worse, neither of those is consistent with the meaning in the New Testament. The NT use of that term refers to a national identity. It’s a contraction of Judean — someone who is a citizen of the Judean Kingdom under the Roman Empire. They may or may not be faithful to the Covenant, but they are subject to Judean government jurisdiction. This no longer exists, so the ambiguity in the modern usage does not apply here.
Thus, whatever Paul means here in Romans 11 by “Israel”, it’s not the same as ethnic Jews or religious Jews. We have a hint in Paul’s declaration in Galatians 3 that “children of Abraham” refers to those who carry on Abraham’s faith, not those who simply carry his DNA.
What can we learn by working with Second Temple literature? The name “Israel” can be used to indicate several different things, which is typical of the Hebrew language in general. It depends on the context.
1. The Patriarch, Jacob — his name was changed to Israel
2. The nation of his descendants (“Children of Israel”)
3. All Twelve Tribes
4. The Northern 10 Tribes and sometimes their territory
5. In some places it refers to the Southern Tribes, usually after they returned from Exile
The word “Jew” is regarded as a term originating outside the nation. It’s not a name they chose, but they might use the term in the presence of outsiders to accommodate them. It’s a specifically exilic term; it arose as a reference to them as captives of Babylon, even after they returned. In Hebrew and Aramaic, it’s a plural: Yehudim. 2 Kings 25:25 or Jeremiah 34:9 seems to be the earliest, but it’s used throughout Ezra, Nehemiah and Esther. You also see it in Daniel and Zechariah, both after the Exile began. (Keep in mind that the Exile occurred in three waves — 605, 597 and 586 BC — so Jeremiah mentions them after at least the first wave.)
Heiser notes that Josephus is very precise about the meaning and usage of the term and quotes him using the Greek form Ioudaioi, referring to both the people and the territory. As to the people, it refers to everyone descended from the Returnees. Modern usage of the term “Jew” arises more from the Fourth Century and later. Frankly, we should view the word “Jew” in English translations of the Bible as bad scholarship. It’s better to translate it as “Judean”.
The term “all Israel” shows up 153 times in the Bible, but only once in the New Testament — where Paul uses it in Romans 11:26. It specifically refers to the collective Twelve Tribes in both the Old Testament and in Second Temple literature. Not just the people, but specifically to the tribal structure of the nation. The concept of the term fades from meaning between the Divided Kingdom and the Exile. The precision of meaning shows up in the Qumran Community and in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
So, Paul is not thinking in Romans 11 about ethnic Jews. There was already a proper term for that. No, he refers to “the totality of God’s covenant people” as Heiser puts it. It’s a theological construct. As I’ve noted elsewhere, it’s Israel-the-mission, a people who serve a specific purpose as noted in the Unseen Realm thesis. Heiser takes us back in the Roman letter to 9:6-8, which includes a quote from Genesis 21:12.
This is consistent with Galatians 3:7-9, 25-29. Paul bluntly states that “Children of Abraham” includes Gentiles. Anyone with that fundamental loyalty to Jehovah, the OT is loaded with Gentiles who qualify: Rahab, Naaman, etc. The same answer carries over into the NT. Acts quite deliberately points out that the same Holy Spirit fell on Gentiles the same way.
Jeremiah 30:3 refers specifically to “Israel and Judah” who will return some day. God refers to “My People” against the warnings in Hosea 1:9 that the Northern Tribes were “not My People” (lo-ammi). Later Hosea says that those who were formerly “not My People” (Gentiles) will be called “My People”, and Paul quotes this in Romans 9:22-26. Paul is swapping the Lost Ten Tribes for Gentiles.
This is how “all Israel” will be saved.